Flaire Project Participation

  • Tuesday, November 18, 2014 7:21 AM
    Reply # 3153373 on 3147925

    Yessir!  As far as I know that is.  I get out there about 11:00 usually.


    Bill

  • Tuesday, November 18, 2014 8:02 AM
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    I'm heading out to the airport to make a set of custom cable clamps to bind the ends of the forward rudder pedal assembly.  I am focusing on the completion of the yaw/brakes system now.  I think I see the way clear to completion. I should be there till late.


    Mate, I'm thinking of making the door assembly simpler by putting all the latch mechanism in the fuselage rater than the door itself, leaving the door itself free of all articulation.


    Karl, the idea would be to find a source for a three point inertial harness, left and right just like in a car.  It would be nice if you could disconnect the shoulder strap like in a Piper but if you think of it, you never do that in your car and it can stay on the road longer than the F-582 can stay in the air.  Goals would be light weight, cheap cost, and availability.  Think about making many airplanes, not just this one.

  • Tuesday, November 18, 2014 8:17 PM
    Reply # 3153896 on 3147925
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    A latch on the fuse - Hm-m. It'll simplify the latch compared with the prototype - I do have ?'s

    Will the door still be hinged at front? If so, does that put the handle aft of the rear edge of the door or  where? Will that be easy to reach? 

    Assume the 'window' is still to hinge along the upper edge, and open 1st close last and be able to fasten to u/s of wing to maintain option of 'open air' flying.

    Do you have optional/alternate method of fabrication the frames? Very light steel welded, maybe fabric skin.


    How about a drop-in door with no hinges or latch, kinda like a sailboat hatch - just drop into slots with maybe a tethered cotter for security. They (sailboat) usually have slight taper to hatch and frame so you only need to lift them a couple of inches to remove. Pretty safe too, as the door is 'trapped' on 3 edges.



  • Tuesday, November 18, 2014 8:37 PM
    Reply # 3153911 on 3147925
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    More door noodling ................. IF made like a hatch, it really simplifies construction. A simple ply covered wooden frame will suffice - cheap 'n light and no need for rubber seals to keep the drafts out. Stow behind the seats in a sling or pocket; off-the-shelf grab handle from Ace Hardware.


    I'll draw something up and post for review.

  • Wednesday, November 19, 2014 12:45 AM
    Reply # 3154112 on 3147925
    Bill said something about welding some kind of threaded attach points.  However, the door opening is not exactly straight.  I'm not sure what he has in mind exactly.

    The door in the piet is not very impressive, so I'm sure anything that ends up on the Flaire will be amazing.


    I want to get going with the wing and do a destructive test.  Hope we can get this done in the next 1-2 months.


    Andy

  • Wednesday, November 19, 2014 6:21 AM
    Reply # 3154305 on 3147925
    Anonymous

    Bill, I may be able to come up with something on the BRS chute. The company that makes my Aventura kit had a few sitting on the shelf when I was there and I think they would be willing to help out in some manner. I'll get in touch with them about it.

  • Wednesday, November 19, 2014 8:55 AM
    Reply # 3154360 on 3147925

    Matt, good on the BRS.  We won't need it for some time but preperation is the key to success?


    M8  I am not much of a typist so the bulk of this conversation should take place in person.  The doors will remain the same, the approach to construction and securing would be improved by simplification.


    I worked for about 8 hours yesterday and made 4 little clamps and mounted one pulley.  If I was building a house I could frame a floor in the same time.  Today I should have the forward part of the rudder pedal system installed and ready for flight except for finished welds.  I ordered the master brake cylinders yesterday, $230.00.

  • Thursday, November 20, 2014 9:27 AM
    Reply # 3154974 on 3147925

     

    Bill,

     

    The attached link offers some insight / views on Vne determination.  Need to sift through the thread a bit.

     

    http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=61831

     

    Karl  

  • Friday, November 21, 2014 7:24 AM
    Reply # 3155500 on 3147925
    Karl,


    Good thread. 

    We have several of these V speeds already calculated.

    There is a series of design sheets created by Neal Willford that I used for the Flaire.  If you are interested, I can send you some of these.

    BTW: Are we hooking up with Steve this weekend?


    Thanks

    Andy

  • Friday, November 21, 2014 9:39 AM
    Reply # 3155551 on 3147925

    Andy,

     

    I am interested in the various V speed calculations and determination.  Thanks for the offer to share the info.  Please forward spreadsheets.

     

    Steve mentioned getting together this weekend, but no time has been defined.  FYI, my Saturday is full, but should be available on Sunday.

     

    Karl 

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